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This week, Ellie and Paul had a remarkable conversation with David Cameron – the ‘Real’ one – who is a presenter, trainer and consultant on all areas in education and children’s services.

They cover a wide range of topics and there’s plenty of challenging views to get your teeth into! David talks about education in Scotland as well as how trust can be crucial in improving asessment.

Read the full show notes on the pivotal education site.

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